Lil Formers TF Wiki entry! What’s your opinion??
Hah so this week’s strip apparently caused some TF Movie fans and Animated fans to get their panties in a bunch apparently (No offense to anyone out there who legitimately suffers from Bunched Panty Syndrome, or BPS). So much so that they started a massive thread of TFW about it (message board battles are so awesome 
and also started a TF Wiki edit war. War might be too strong a word, it is just one or two guys who believe that that I am especially harsh to TF Animated and the Movie, and must warn the world about it.
So what’s your opinion? Am I especially biased about making strips about the movie and Animated? I’d say I am most hard on G1, since I have made more strips about it that any other TF era. If anything get’s a pass it’s Beast Wars…sweet perfect Beast Wars….
Good or bad, I invite everyone to head over to Lil Formers TF Wiki entry and give their thoughts on things like:
- should wiki articles be neutral or allow opinions?
- am I especially biased toward Animated and the Movie compared to other subjects?
- am I not allowed to make fun of certain ‘taboo’ TF subjects like these?
Just go to the Lil Formers wiki entry here, and click on “Discussion” at the top to join the debate:
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Lil_Formers
(note, please don’t post just to say “Matt rulez!” or “Matt sucks!”)
Your support and/or hatred is appreciated :)
PS: New GOODIES coming soon!!! Really!!
February 18th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Erm…far too much to even say about the TFWiki site. For a start, the comments section looks like it was formatted by a 5 year old. For this reason alone, showing my support there could be missed/overlooked.
So, to the crux of the matter: This is your cartoon strip, and therefore your rules. You don’t like the animated style of TF Animated? That is ‘OK’. The Americans even have something in the constitution about ‘freedom of speech’. This is what you are exercising. TF Animated fan boys getting upset about your ‘lack of respect’? Grow up. It is a) a cartoon, b) a cartoon & c) a cartoon. Don’t you boys worry about that real life out there…the shock of it may kill you.
Rant over.
MOYLAN RULES OK!
(Sorry, it had to go in there somewhere)
February 18th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Go Matt!!! Could I say that here??
February 18th, 2009 at 11:21 am
I agree with Ian and I will add that I feel there has been a lot of vocal so called G1 fan bashing (since the hype of the first live action movie) when it comes to anyone who speaks out with even the slightest criticism. I think blindly following anything with the Transformers label regardless of content may be fine for some people but this comic strip sees the issues not only from a fan’s perspective but also from a critical pop culture angle which is why I love it.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Nicely put Xenon…
Am sure I meant to put something along those lines, but my post lunch work blues were clouding my spark…(see what I did there? 
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February 18th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Maybe we’re the same age Matt, because I agree with pretty much everything in your strips. The Michael Bay movie WAS awful. The art style of Animated IS ugly. These things SHOULD be mocked. Like the other guys have said, there is so much G1-bashing going around. David Willis constantly mocks G1 and its fans, and somehow that’s perfectly OK. (Oh yeah, he runs that Wiki. Coincidence?)
February 18th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
They need to understand that
1) You’re too old for that stuff
2) The animation DOES suck
3) Micheal Bay DOES suck
February 18th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
OK, I finally read the whole discussion. Some pointers
1) The TFWiki is awful and is loathed by many for its unfunny, outdated ’90s “snark” humor.
2) The TFWiki is run by David Willis (known there as ItsWalky) who has his very own biased WebComic where he constantly mocks G1 and its fans. Even on that talk page ItsWalky says, “G1 was animated by some mutant race of retarded slug-creatures”. Does David Willis’ bio mention HIS “biases”?
3) Most of the people that contribute to that wiki are the most obsessive nerd aspect of the fandom, called WiiGii or something. To be hated by them is something to be proud of.
February 19th, 2009 at 1:26 am
And Willis decides to keep it going on Shortpacked. Argh.
February 19th, 2009 at 1:54 am
Hi. So apparently I’m an Awful Obsessive WiiGii Nerd and if I hate you then you should be proud because I hate G1 and I bash anyone who likes it or gives anything else the slightest criticism and I don’t think Mr. Moylan has a right to his own opinion. (For the record, I will accept “nerd,” but the rest of that sentence is pure bull. Yes, including the wiigii part.)
Mr. Moylan, you are actually a pretty cool guy. I disagree with many of your opinions, mind you, but you seem respectful (at least relative to a lot of other TF fans), and I like to think I’m respectful as well. I have my own thoughts on the humor of your strip, which I’ve stated elsewhere, but this is neither the time nor the place for that.
Basically, I’ve just come here to correct a couple of misconceptions.
Misconception A: That one’s opinions are objective fact, and are therefore something that people who disagree with them “need to understand.” No, RockOnMegatron, I don’t “need to understand” that Michael Bay sucks. I enjoyed the 2007 live-action Transformers movie. This does not indicate that I am stupid, that I blindly worship everything Hasbro throws at me, etc., etc., etc. It indicates merely that my criteria for enjoying a live-action Transformers movie differ from yours.
Misconception B: That Transformers fandom is a big war between people who like G1 and people who like everything except G1. Uh, hello? Have you not noticed how everyone squeals like schoolgirls over virtually every recognizable element of G1 that appears to be going to maybe pop up in Animated at some point in the future? Hell, Willis himself is a big fan of Nightbeat, who has yet to appear in anything BUT G1. There is not a dichotomy here, and I’m honestly confused by where people are getting that idea.
What people dislike are what we like to call Geewunners. These are people who immediately declare the worthlessness of anything that is different from G1 (or more accurately, what they remember G1 being like) for no reason other than that it is different. It’s a kneejerk reaction, rejecting the new because it is new, which is infinitely different from disliking a series for real reasons (and, yes, “I find the visual style unappealing” is a real reason). They also have a tendency towards putting G1 on a proverbial pedastal, downplaying or outright denying its flaws (you know, things like stupid altmodes). Making fun of people who do this is no different from making fun of [insert extreme subset of political group you dislike here], and should not be confused with bashing G1 and its fans. To do so is a bit like misinterpreting Mr. Moylan’s recent strip as saying that, since I enjoy Transformers Animated, *I* am a monkey or have the intelligence thereof. It is, essentially, going out of your way to be offended by something. (Unless you DO act like this, in which case frankly I have a hard time having any sympathy.)
I bet I get flamed for this.
February 19th, 2009 at 2:14 am
“Geewunners”. This is basically a strawman argument. Who are these alleged people? I’ve never actually seen anyone say, “Everything except G1 sucks.” “Geewunners” is just a label the WiiGii idiots made up; a label made up by obsessive nerds to put down people whose opinions they don’t agree with.
And now they have labeled Matt as a “Geewunner” and he is now their enemy.
Just look at this comment on the “Matt Moylan” entry:
“He feels Transformers was ruined FOREVER after the film and television franchises that launched in 2007. ”
I don’t recall him making a comment like that…. In fact, I’m sure he didn’t. But hey, he’s the enemy now, so let’s just make stuff up to slander him. And when he complains, just say it’s “snark”. Just say, “It’s supposed to be funny.”
February 19th, 2009 at 2:24 am
I guess Willis had the stones to attack you directly:
http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20090219.html
Personally, I think he’s jealous that you are a professional (TF) comic artist and he’s just an amateur.
February 19th, 2009 at 2:44 am
Wow, that took a whole twenty minutes.
Travoltron, your comment presupposes that geewunners do not actually exist and the idea that they do is a giant conspiracy to discredit people who like old things. Given that I have already asserted that such people DO exist, you are claiming either that I am stupid and accept whatever arguments I am spoonfed, or that I am myself one of the obsessive nerds responsible for the conspiracy. In the interest of fairness, I’d like to know WHICH baseless accusation you are making, so that I may properly respond to it.
February 19th, 2009 at 2:52 am
Well gee, since Andrusi ASSERTS they exist, they must exist.
Not good enough.
February 19th, 2009 at 2:54 am
Answer. Am I evil or stupid?
February 19th, 2009 at 3:36 am
I hereby deny any connection to the post from “I.” Dude, you’re not helping.
February 19th, 2009 at 3:53 am
But I’m your alt account, dude!
February 19th, 2009 at 4:02 am
They say analyzing humor kills what makes it funny. I’d say that’s a price worth paying to point out why the argument “I have just as many jokes to make about stupid stuff in G1″ isn’t a valid one.
The jokes you used for G1 Optimus and Rodimus were loving tributes to G1–one pointing out the absurdity of how often Prime dies and comes back to life using traditional rhetoric and comedic timing to enhance the comedic value, and the other poking fun via the absurdist connection between the character, his voice actor, and said voice actor’s best-known role. The AEC Prime joke isn’t mean-spirited either–it pokes fun at the shows’ pacing issues while still allowing Prime to say something positive about himself, which while not that deep as far as humor goes, still fulfills the “convincing the audience of his accomplishments” portion of the comedic presence.
The remaining three panels, though, are incredibly mean-spirited and somewhat break with the premise being used in the strip (namely, Primes bragging about their accomplishments). Animated Prime’s statement isn’t an accomplishment, and doesn’t address anything that the show is actually known for–all it is is an insult being levied at the show’s production staff veiled in a weak comedic exaggeration. Primal doesn’t say anything at all about himself–you just used him as an excuse to say “The movie sure does suck!” one more time, and completely ignoring any characterization that might exist for Primal in the process. And while pointing out how silly Movie Prime’s overall plan as silly is certainly a valid venue for humor, the way you’ve executed basically has Movie Prime flipping off the audience–which doesn’t fit the character, doesn’t really fit the tone established in the first three panels of the strip, and only really serves as a way of re-stating that you hate the movie.
Humor is a subjective thing. I’ve seen (and agree with) many of the criticisms levied against your strip–that your narration bubbles tend to overexplain the gags, that the gags are obvious, and that the jokes derive as much value from nostalgic pop culture references as they do from actual humorous content. That puts you in good company, considering the same complaints are often levied against Garfield, The Simpsons, and Family Guy.
But when you use your strip a soapbox for you to levy insults at things you show clear disdain for at the expense of providing an actual joke, you’re not actually being funny anymore–you’re just being a jerk, and the people left laughing are the jerks who happen to agree with you.
You’ve got drawing talent. You’ve got talent when it comes to making jokes that other people will find funny, though you’ve still got a lot of room for improvement when it comes to the finesse and execution of telling a joke. Don’t throw that away in favor of shallow, spiteful comments that only serve to engender hateful cockbites to laugh because they agree with you.
P.S. Dismissing the people who criticize you as upset little girls is a real jackass move. And proceeding to enlist your fanbase in an attempt to smack them down makes you look shallow to boot.
February 19th, 2009 at 4:09 am
Anonymous, good post. “I,” shut up.
February 19th, 2009 at 4:24 am
I would just like to say that, for my own, little, non-vocal-fan part, the only thing that bothers me about the recent comic is that it seems more oriented around putting down the things Matt doesn’t like rather than parodying them. Less cute and more mean-spirited, which seems very out of character for this strip. It’s easy to be mean and just put things down because you don’t like them, less so to do it while still being friendly about it.
I think, perhaps, that is what a lot of the people who have taken exception to the recent negative commentary from Mr. Moylan are the most upset about. It’s not about the views, per se, but how they’re being expressed. Of course, Matt has every right to express his views however he likes, but this comic started out as being very cute and very much a gentle ribbing of the many absurd qualities of the original Transformers. Some might feel it unfair that the newer series get much harsher treatment for having flaws of which the previous series (all of them) are no less guilty in one way or another.
Am I a fanboy? I guess. I am a Transformers fan-boy. I love Transformers in most of it’s incarnations, from G1 to Animated (with the possible exclusion of the Unicron Trilogy and much of the post-transmetal Beat Wars). I love the original, despite it’s camp. I love the movie despite Mr Bay and his directing. I love Animated despite it’s stylistic choices. Make of that what you will.
*shrugs* Just my perspective.
February 19th, 2009 at 5:41 am
((Well, the first part is me listing what I think is good and bad, and my overall opinion))
I’m with Andrusi, the first Anonymous, and Keith Hemari. =D
Well, here’s my two cents on the topic of where Matt Moylan stands…
The Good
-Matt has good wit and is great at drawing Lil Formers. This is, for the most part, fact (I say for the most part as you may not like seeing Transformers as Lil Formers)
-Matt has a good eye for gags and plot points which are genuinely ridiculous. In particular, the one where Michael Bay ‘directs’ despite the Writer’s Strike (script 82). This is also generally true.
The Bad
-Although he’s free to express his viewpoints, some of which are valid, in recent times or at least with the latest strip, he has made it come across less as a playful jab and more as a blatant ‘this is my opinion therefore it is fact’. This is bad. This is what the rabid fanboys do.
-Using the phrase ‘panties in a bunch’, while amusing when viewed casually, is also somewhat condescending and makes you seem, to the hardcore (meaning totally not balanced or rational) Animated and Movie fans, like a high and mighty ‘oh look at me I’m in ur internetz mocking ur moviez’ type of guy.
Overall: Matt, I think you’re a great webcomic maker, and great at interpreting various different ‘formers as cute Lilformers, but sometimes you’ve gotta just rein it in, look at what you’re saying, and see if it is even remotely like what you don’t want to be. There’s no shame in admitting we’ve all got stuff to learn, even the most experienced. Only in claiming we know all are we showing how ignorant we are. (Gawd I wish I could say that in Peter Cullen’s voice. XD)
I like the webcomic series a lot. It’s great fun. But I agree that this script could have been handled better (I think might have worked, but I’m not a serious fan, so I wouldn’t know). But this is what writing is all about: Receiving viewpoints and observing what you could change about yourself. Look for constructive criticisms and genuine flaws, and work to correct them. =D
((Aaaand this is me addressing my opinions that, essentially, most fans are decent, normal, folk while the rabid ones out there are the vocal minority))
I would also like to point out that I’m fairly certain most fans coexist and that this ‘war’ is between ‘vocal minorities’. Most fans, I think, are willing to grow and evolve, to view an old franchise in a new and reinvented light, and above all else, to give it and others a chance while maintaining civility and manners. At the very least, they certainly don’t paint people with differing views as evil, fanatical monsters or try and destroy what they like.
That said, I get the feeling that the people involved who go ‘Matt is out of touch’ or ‘the TFwiki is despised universally’ are basically the extremes of fandom which are, regretfully, a part of the TF legacy. Taking out the fact that they represent opposite ends of the spectrum, they are fundamentally the same in these respects…
-Pride themselves overly on even the narrowest tastes
-Dismiss legitimate and rational arguments
-Tendency to see what they ‘worship’ as infallible (or Primus), and to paint what they dislike as demonic (or Unicron)
-Dismissal of other POVs or the possibility of coexistence. What if I happen to think the TF Wiki is funny? What if I ALSO think that Lil Formers is funny? PARADOX! I HAVE DIVIDED BY ZERO! YOU CAN’T LIKE BOTH APPLES AND ORANGES!
February 19th, 2009 at 5:58 am
Oh, and somehow my post failed to register my proposals for alternate things Animated Prime and Movie Prime could have said, so I’ll post them here for entertainment’s sake. XD
Animated Prime: I was brought back to life minutes after my first death! It’s a new record!
Movie Prime: I move with all the grace of Spider-Man, yet cause infinitely more property damage! (oblivious to it being a BAD thing for a Prime to do) (or, he could have said) All Primes with an actual cinematic sequel, raise their hands. C’mon, I wanna count.
Primal: (Well, there’s plenty of stuff to be said here, but why don’t we go with) My third body had more hardware than a Combiner! AND it looked the most robotic!
February 19th, 2009 at 6:51 am
@ Andrusi, maybe so, I just think it’s wrong how they made Bumblebee be unable to talk until the end, the Decepticons had unusual alt. modes, especially Barricade, and Jazz died with no return planned! It’s not really like G1, go on, say that I’m biased if you want, but isn’t that what the movie is based on?
February 19th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Yet again, I seem to have missed something. If you don’t find Moylan funny, go trawl another website! I for one am not a huge “Might Boosh” fan. However, this does not mean I have to analyse every aspect of their comedy that I find naff. There are even some bits I do find funny…however isn’t the point of this that people have different tastes in humor? I quite enjoyed the TF film, but seeing it bashed in a comic strip doesn’t upset me in any way.
I ACCEPT that people have different opinions, and feel the need to vocalise those opinions, but THIS IS JUST A CARTOON STRIP. An opinion expressed in visual form, that you DON’T have to agree with. I can’t believe there are so many ’serious’ comments on this page about Moylans etiquette and what he needs to learn from this. Why? He wasn’t being racist or fascist, he was expressing his opinion, which he believes. He is not telling anyone that they have to agree…that would be madness…
Till all are one…or some such rubbish…
February 19th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Walky’s sandy anti-humor mangina was especially uspet:
http://www.shortpacked.com/
BTW, please check my proposition for the next TF show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBUoAjvPoHY&feature=channel_page
February 19th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Eh, I’m probably one to talk given my wordy responses and urging Moylan to be a little more conscientious, but at the risk of sounding like an incredible hypocrite, it would appear Ian Sutton is right from a realistic standing. It’s possible I’m a very changeable person but I do agree with a live-and-let-live philosophy. XD
It DOES pay to be reminded that this IS indeed a piece of fiction meant to entertain, and in no way are the opinions FORCED onto us. However, the rather ham-handed approach in voicing said opinions might vex those who more vehemently hold to their views. ‘Panties in a bunch’ could just as easily been replaced with ‘chill out, it’s a show, and you watch if you like’ or some such stuff. I suppose that the comic’s structure sparked debate as it seemed purposefully arrayed against the Movies and Animated, coming off as one big mean-spirited rant. The bits on Animated and the Movies, of a much more insulting nature, probably sparked off the fans of those things.
Oh well. I was really of the impression that Matt wasn’t really living-and-letting-live, but I can see now I’m wrong. So long as that’s intact, it’s fine. I WOULD recommend making it a little clearer, at least in his responses, that he’s not telling them what to do nor is he openly saying their views are ridiculous. Saying on a public site, in clear view of people who disagree with him, that a select group of fans (Animated ad Movie) have their panties in a bunch is a good way to make said fans react strongly. Maybe if he’d said ‘like the Transfans we are, we’ve been getting our panties in a twist’ so that it didn’t seem like a direct stab at them. Still, his opinions.
February 19th, 2009 at 10:59 am
“The ultimate difference between the Shortpacked comic and the Lil’ Formers comic? Shortpacked had the funny.”
God forbid humour be subjective. Personally I found the Lilformers strip funny and Willis’ response spiteful and uneccessary, especially on top of his already bitter and downright nasty TFWiki edit.
However, as soon as I saw Matt’s strip I predicted over at Don Murphy’s site that the Animated and movie fans would kick off. Nice to know they’re as predictable as the geewunners they claim to despise.
Even so, I wasn’t expecting Willis to behave quite so petulantly.
Hopefully Matt’ll just do the sensible thing and rise above this now that Willis has decided to make things so personal.
February 19th, 2009 at 11:10 am
“PS: Walky is a pro, he publishes his book and actually lives off the work he does on his comic strip. Moylan, on the other hand, has to be an assistant editor or some other crap because he can’t hack it as an artist or a writer.”
That’s ridiculous. Both Mr. Moylan and I are pros. Heck, we’ve both even done professional Transformers work. There are bound to be lots of things either of us are better or worse at than the other — for example, he’s a much better colorist. But it’s retarded to claim one set of skills are more authentic than the other. And claiming an EDITOR is dumb and unnecessary flies in the face of all reason, and is said just for spite. I don’t personally think Lil Formers is funny, as is obvious, but that isn’t any reason to take a general crap on everything the cartoonist has ever done ever.
Basically, stop defending me if that’s the kind of “defending” you’re going to do.
February 19th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Hardly likely, considering Matt already ordered his monkeys to go vandalize David Willis’s page.
For a guy who claims these “fanboy reactions don’t bother him”…. he sure gets his panties in a bunch over them.
February 19th, 2009 at 11:24 am
Anonymous git, that was me. >:)
And I got no orders from anyone.
February 19th, 2009 at 11:42 am
“I don’t personally think Lil Formers is funny, as is obvious, but that isn’t any reason to take a general crap on everything the cartoonist has ever done ever.”
And yet you did it.
Walky, Walky, Walky… you sad little schmuck.
February 19th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
RockOnMegatron: Great! That’s a perfectly worthwhile opinion. I just disagree with the phrasing (in your first post) that implies that it’s a fact rather than an opinion and that there is something wrong with me for holding a different one.
Mr. Sutton: I suppose this is what I get for not actually stating my opinion of the strip itself. See, I DO find Moylan funny, most of the time. And as I DID at least imply in my post with my initial block of sarcasm, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with him expressing his opinion in his strip, even if the result is an instance of a strip I DON’T find funny. It’s the COMMENTERS who bother me here.
Grimbot: The Lil’ Formers strips involving later TF franchises do not comprise “everything the cartoonist has ever done ever.”
February 19th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
“Both Mr. Moylan and I are pros.”
From your behavior at the TFWiki and the spiteful personal attack strip you drew, I don’t think “professional” is a word I’d apply to you, Willis.
February 19th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
“From your behavior at the TFWiki and the spiteful personal attack strip you drew, I don’t think “professional” is a word I’d apply to you, Willis.”
*—EDITED OUT( that’s a bit much - Matt) —*
Go back to wiigii with your other Beast-loving Hasbro-apologists. This site is for REAL Transformers fans!
February 19th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
I think yer all twats. I guess I’m not enough of a ‘hardcore’ transformers fan to get all up-in-arms.
February 19th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
I like the TF movie and I don’t think you can say, that Matt’s comics are offensive. Walky’s trip on the other hand… But I’m not surprised.
February 19th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
The fans supporting Bay’s movie would have a good point it wasn’t a big ol’ barrel of crap. And Matt made a very biting and true comment that no matter what you think of the quality of the film and movie Prime (which I obviously think lowly of), it has become what the public and kids recognize the most as Transformers due to it being a cinematic event. Which is extremely frustrating.
February 19th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
BTW, GEEWUN, baby!
I love when other fans get pissy when you turn that around and use that stupid term as a battle cry.
February 19th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
“Go back to wiigii with your other Beast-loving Hasbro-apologists. This site is for REAL Transformers fans!”
Oh, just scream GEEEWUNNER like you know you want to.
There are no real fans, only fans. If anyone’s guilty of forgetting that it’s Willis.
February 19th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
I don’t see why the hell you should politely sit back and calmly debate these assaults on your character, man, but you are, and that DOES show character. On the other hand, Walky and his crew of dorks and geeks lack any integrity, and with crap like the things they post about people like you and Shane McCarthy, they wonder why no-one takes their wiki seriously, apart from other dorks and geeks.
PS, I’d ignore that Jeysie chick who was trying to argue with you on the wiki discussion. She’s got the intellect of a cheesesteak. (Talking from experience here.)
February 19th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Things that are always hilarious except when they’re just depressing:
1) People in a fandom who think that the only REAL FANS are those who dislike everything those people themselves dislike.
2) Self-described fans of a twenty-five-year-old children’s cartoon, comic book, and/or toy line, who describe other fans thereof as “nerds” or “geeks” with the impression that it is an effective insult.
3) When one person denies the existence of people who behave a certain way, and then another person comes in behaving in exactly that way.
4) When I make a big post that makes a point of how opinions are not facts, and someone promptly shows up and declares that someone else’s argument would be valid except for his negative opinion.
5) People who willingly file themselves under a term that means “closed-minded and declaring the worthlessness of anything different as a kneejerk reaction to change” and claim that this is a “battle cry.”
6) People who, upon seeing that someone they respect is taking the high road in a given situation, take it upon themselves to hurl insults in his name.
February 19th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Ho ho my name is Andorksi I think things are hilarious because I think I’m better then every1
WHATEVER
REAL fans arent like Walky and his ilk who make fun of every1 else because they think they are so “cool” when they all look like a bunch of unkempt homeless virgins who are more likely to touch their moms private areas than there own. They all probably live at home with mommy and there all like 35-40 year old geeks who havent signed off the internet since 1996.
Get over yourselves Willis, you will never make anything of yourself and your little clan of wiigiis can SUCK IT!!!!
GEEWUNNER AND PROUND!!!!
February 20th, 2009 at 12:28 am
Andrusi, I think you are taking me more seriously than I take myself.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:30 am
But I do adore the idea of turning the idea of GEEWUNNER on its head. Screw the old meaning that functions as a catch-all insult.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:30 am
Oh, no! You have stumbled upon my greatest weakness, people saying “Andorksi”! I am slain!
February 20th, 2009 at 12:41 am
I like the idea of turning the idea of catch-all insult on its head. Screw the old meaning that functions as the old meaning of catch-all insult. REASONABLE DISCOURSE IS CRAP AND YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS. CATCH-ALL INSULTS ARE JUST BETTER. EVERYTHING I SAY IS A CATCH-ALL INSULT, AND I’M PROUD.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:45 am
Being Willis’s self-proclaimed arch-nemesis (Struck me hard in the balls unknowingly one botcon sometime ago), I have to say this. The humor of this comic would have gone a lot better if the author had managed to do some research on the things he was mocking. As many others have said, the later half of it comes as downright opinionated as an editorial cartoon. There are plenty of things one could poke fun at those characters claiming as an achievement… such as Animated Prime facing his fear of spiders. In my opinion the author needs to learn to be less personal with his work in much the same ways as I begrudgingly admit willis is. As others have mentioned in this thread, the same ‘mean-spirited’ strip he did also pokes fun of his own takes into the subject. Ethan is a raving fanboy from time to time and we know this. The difference is Ethan gets poked fun at just as much as he pokes fun at others.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:52 am
hmm, I knew this would happen…Now, I’ve read all posts saw all comments, dwelled in their POV and come out with a Solution,
We are human beings,
We can sometimes be biased, sometimes be angry and do something without realizing it and mostly cause yet another bash war. Guys, we’re all just bashin each other here and for what? wathever one says the other will counter it with another over-the-top cuzzing statement and this just goes on and on and.
I have an opinion, I AM on a side here, but due to the fact that it would only draw me into this endless argument I’m not going to tell them. No, sorry,
This is stupid! Do we really have to be pitted agaisnt each other like this!? FOR CHRIST’S SAKE SOME OF YOU ARE FREAKING 30 YEARS OLD!!!! Unless you can come to an accord on this whole ordeal, I really see no end to this
that was my two cents
February 20th, 2009 at 5:52 am
G1 IS AWESOME! BEST THING EVER! MOVIE SUCKS! BEAST WARS SUCKS! EVERYTHING NOT G1 SUCKS! HAAAA!!! REAL FAN MEEE!!!!
(See, anyone can do that to try to make one side look like bunch of idiots.
-Grimbot)
February 20th, 2009 at 6:11 am
“People in a fandom who think that the only REAL FANS are those who dislike everything those people themselves dislike.”
You know what’s really depressing? People who toss out that insult, along with GEEWUNNER without seeing the real irony. It’s the people who are most likely to scream REAL FAN REAL FAN!!! who are the most reactionary and bigoted of the lot. Look at all those people jumping all over Matt because he dared say something against Animated and the Movie as if liking either of those things was a requirement to be able to call yourself a Transformers fan.
I don’t believe someone who loves G1 and hates Beast Wars, someone who loves Animated and hates G1, someone who loves the G1 comic but hates the cartoon is made less of a fan because they’re critical of other aspects. But there are those that do. Willis thinks he’s pricking those fans with his “cutting barbs” about REAL FANS but really he’s just being as horribly bigoted as the people he’s claiming to mock. You could take the strip as being self aware with Ethan in the final panel, but given his edits to the TFWiki proclaiming Matt as an extremist RUINED FOREVER crank show just who IS the reactionary jerk who can’t bear anyone else loving different aspects of the franchise to himself.
It’s just I’M A REAL FANning by any other name.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Are we sure Willis made those Wiki edits? I think he said something about impostors on his blog.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:56 am
I think that you make fun of G1 more than the movie or Animated, but your jokes about them are a little harsher, but still funny.
Keep up the good work on your excellent comic.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
“Are we sure Willis made those Wiki edits? I think he said something about impostors on his blog.”
Short of someone hacking his personal admin TFwiki account, yes?
February 20th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Willis is lying. Like usual.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
G1 IS YOUR CHILDHOOD, NOT THE CHILDHOOD OF KIDS TODAY.
There’s ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with being nostalgic and disliking the new stuff because it isn’t like what you remembered experiencing as a child. It doesn’t make you any less of a ‘fan’ than the ones who bash 80s cartoons.
BUT DON’T BEMOAN THE FACT THAT THE KIDS TODAY ‘JUST KNOW THE MOVIE OR THE ANIMATED CARTOON’. This is a new generation of children that have, believe it or not, tastes rather different from your own when you were the same age. THE TIMES THEY ARE A’ CHANGIN’.
You guys are starting to become like those old farts who always complained that kids don’t listen to ‘good music’ anymore back when we were kids. Full circle man, full circle.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Angelophile, did you read the posts that preceded mine?
Seriously, did you?
February 20th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
What, the faked GEEWUNNER stuff? Sure.
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:44 pm
I think it’s fair game to call anyone you percieve as dorkier than you within fandom a “Dork.” Take people who write Transformers slash- It’s easy to look down on them, because that’s just sad. And the reason I’m not going to take that Wiki seriously is because of the constant personal attacks. I’m sick of how whenever fandom makes something good, some ignorant arse gimpazoid like Willis does something to screw it up.
Matt busts his arse, and the dude’s funny. Willis shouldn’t attack the man because he has his own point of view. It’s his website, what’s he gonna do, “Hi, I’m Matt Moylan, and here’s a lilformers strip about white space, because I don’t want to offend anyone in Transformers fandom!” ? Hells no!
February 23rd, 2009 at 2:56 am
> And the reason I’m not going to take that Wiki seriously is because of the constant personal attacks.
“Constant” implies more than one. And “personal attack” implies ad hominem, which this wasn’t.
> Matt busts his arse
True.
> and the dude’s funny.
Opinion.
> Willis shouldn’t attack the man because he has his own point of view.
If the attack you’re referring to is the edit on the Wiki… either Moylan lied about not watching Animated, or Willis’ “attack” (noting that Moylan’s ‘point of view’ was based on willful ignorance of the thing he was expressing an opinion about) was entirely truthful.
And, frankly, an opinion based on ignorance *deserves* to be ridiculed. Especially, as I noted above, when the opinion is being communicated in lieu of being funny.
February 23rd, 2009 at 6:41 am
My word. And here was I just popping in for the funny once a week!
February 23rd, 2009 at 9:28 pm
By personal attacks, I’m not talking about JUST on Matt. I’m talking about on others as well. It’s supposed to be an information source, not a vendetta machine. And No, Results: Not Same.
February 24th, 2009 at 1:09 am
Thats’ it : it’s your Website, so you have the right to say/publish what you think! For me, I’m very subjective : I prefer G1, but I like humorous bots, so I like Animated too!
– Life is short : amuse yourself because tomorrow, will you be there? –
March 24th, 2009 at 6:05 am
Oy oy oy!
Matt, best thing to do would just close comments, someone will moan about you closing shop, but they can argue elsewhere, all this does is make the site look bad
April 4th, 2009 at 9:10 am
I love it when folks get carried away.
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